Ich dachte bisher immer sparen bedeutet weniger Geld AUSGEBEN. Die politische Bedeutung ist aber anscheinend: Mehr EINNEHMEN. Diese Art des Sparens versuchte ich gerne mal im privaten Bereich. Kann mir jemand sagen wie man das macht?
Mich interessiert eines ganz brennend. Wo sind die wirklichen Schuldzinsen für unsere Staatsschulden?
Nach http://service.tagesschau.de/infografik/deutschlandtrend/index.shtml?Haushalt_2010_0503 müssen ca 39 Mrd an Zinsen aufgewendet werden.
Nun ja die Schulden des Bundes belaufen sich auf rune 1700 Mrd. Wenn man nachrechnet erhält man:
39 / 1700 = 2,23 % Zinsen für „alle Schulden“ zusammen. So weit mir bekannt gibt es nur auf den neuesten Anleihen einen Zins unter 0.2 %. Heißt das nun es wurd alles komlett umgeschuldet? Wie wahrscheinlich kann ein Zins von 2.23% sein wenn unsere Inflationsrate oft über 2 % lag?
Anders herum in welchen Etats verstecken sich eigentlich noch Schuldzinsen. Nehmen wir mal an 4% wäre der Zins der anfiele dann reden wir über 0.068 Billonen oder 68 Milliarden Zinsdienst. Somit bleibt die einfache Frage, wo sind die Zinsen?
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Ich hatte mich ja schon zu den Kürzungen im Etat Soziales ausgelassen. Ich möchte dazu noch etwas hinzufügen. Warum hört man nichts über Abbau von anderen Subventionen. Es geht nur um eine einzige Subvention was ist mit den ganzen Sachen wege Zuschüssen zur Landwirtschaft, Bergbau, Rasenzücherverein, und anderen „Zweigen“. Warum müssen z.B. die Politiker nicht mal selber für ihre KV und RV etc „einzahlen“? Was ist mit staatlichen Maßnahmen für Mono oder Oligopole? Was ist mit weniger Überweisungen etc an die EU? Was mit dem Länderfinanzausgleich?
Ok, here a new „suggestion“
„A country without firm support for private property is dommed.“
My notes for this:
– Germany -50 (Eigentum verpflichtet und Gemeinwohl) Property obliges and common welfare
– Switzerland 70
– US 0 ?
– China -100
If the private property is though of as disponible by the unproductive, there is not limt on seizing it or tax it nearly completly. There are examples of countries which do have failed miserable in that regard. The GDR, the UDSSR.
You may be suprised about my figures about China, but if you are not „political correct“ in the sense of the communist party, then you simply have no chance. You will get to jail or get killed. I can not say how long it will take to see the doom of China, but it’s inevitable.
I though about it over and over again. And have come up with this suggestion
I will state what I think may lead to doom or blessing of a country. You can judge it for any country on a scale fro -100 …. 100
the more negative the worse.
So let’s start with suggestion one:
„Law can be put before a independent court. Especially can productive elements go for court against „unproductive“ elements?“
Here’s are my estimates about it:
– Germany 70
– EU -100
(proof: the EU commision want to emit bonds on the premise for all EU countries but -§125 from the treaty of Lissboa states that this is explictly forbidden, the law was not
changed it still is valid, but only de jure not in fact, Nobody but someone from the EU commision can go to court against this breaking the law. So in fact the executive and jurisdiction is in „one“ hand.. So the EU by any means is doomed …..
– US ?
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what do yo think? Is this law enforcement a thing of doom or blessing?
Ich lese gerade auf: http://www.rp-online.de/politik/deutschland/bundespraesident/Kistenpacken-im-Hause-Koehler_aid_864243.html
Köhler erhält
„Auch nach seinem sofortigen Rücktritt steht dem ehemaligen Staatsoberhaupt lebenslang das Amtsgehalt in Form eines „Ehrensoldes“ zu.Das sind immerhin stolze 17.500 Euro im Monat. “
Er ist jetzt 67 Jahre alt und kann durchaus noch 20 Jahre vor sich haben, das sind dann mal eben 17500 * 12 * 20 = 4 200 000. Und außerdem noch ein Sekretariat und was weiß ich noch. Das darf man wohl eine stolze Rente nennen. Nehmen wir mal an eine LV auf 4,2 Millionen abgeschlossen vor 30 Jahren mit einem derzeitigen Kalkulationszins von sagen wir mal 3.5 %. Da hätte er dann 1,49 Millionen einzahlen müssen. Er war so um die 5 Jahre im Amt somit hat er sich für 5 Jahre Arbeit eine derartig hohe Rente gesichert. Da rede noch mal einer von „Gier“.
Ich habe mal hier grob nachgerechnet.
http://www.n-heydorn.de/zusatzrente.html
Angenommene Rente in 30 Jahren 2000 EUR (wahnsinnig hoch), möchte aber gerne 17500 EUR haben. 6763 EUR müsste ich monatlich Sparen !!!! Also runde 81 000 EUR im Jahr und dass 30 Jahre lang. Also hätte ich dann dafür angespart: 2 430 000. Wieviel muß man wohl verdienen um 6763 EUR sparen zu können. Nehmen wir eine sparquote von 15% so wären das: 45 000 EUR oder im Jahr schlappe 540 000 EUR.
Jetzt rechnen wir das mal für unseren Herrn Köhler durch.
Also 5 Jahre im Amt. dafür sollen 17500 EUR im Monat Rente drin sein, die gesetzliche Rente wird mit 2000 EUR angenommen. Die Zahl für das jährlich Sparen kann man nur noch „atemberaubend“ nennen, runde 70000 EUR müssten im Monat gespart werden oder bei einer Sparquote von 15% müssten runde 467 000 EUR monatlich verdient werden oder auf das Jahr gerechnet: 5 604 000. Man lasse sich diese Summe auf der Zunge zergehen oder aber man lasse sie im Hals stecken. Wessen Geld wird da so ausgegeben? Einmal dürfen Sie raten.
Which will stop the deldedefs to ruin us completey. We have to take away the possiblities to mess up with money.
So it all ends in, we need to have a stable money. We have to get rid of the central banks. The problems with
the current state of affairs just show it over and over and over and over again.
Just read the coments of Bernanke or Trichet, the most prominent examples of the heads of central banks.
Just remember the 700 billion TARP money? Just see the 750 billon money for the „european (un) safety net“.
Fact is: The leading countrie are drowning into debts. Expecting that they will pay for it is just „wishful-thinking“. They claim they will start saving, but
this is a lie. So what they will do is inflate the money. This will still from those having savings, but that is
the way it has gone since the 2nd world war. Just look back into the 1970 ies. With their extremly high inflation rates.
That we currently do not see the inflation rate rising is just „by chance“, with all the new money printed they will start raising. And then imagine central banks which will claim
stabiity is reached as long as inflation rates stay below let’s say 10 %. Just let them keep this for 7 years and the value of the debts just have halved….
But if they try to steer back they have to raise the short-termed interest rate, this will get a very very very harsh stop….
I’d prefer not to try this route, so I’m for. Stop the central banks, let’s work for „stable“ and valuable money.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,697781,00.html
Köhler soll? ist zurückgetreten. Nun ja wenn er wenigsten die Schuld bei sich suchte.
Aber „Er vermisse den Respekt vor seinem Amt.“
Wenn das mal nicht völlig daneben ist. Er hat sich doch schon vor langer Zeit selber disqualifiziert und Respekt kann man nur jemanden zollen der sich „auch entsprechend“ benimmt. Muß ich auf alle möglichen Dinge verweisen die er selber verbockt hat?
http://fdominicus.blogspot.com/2010/05/kohlers-weltsicht.html
Er war einer der schlechtesten Bundespräsidenten die wir hatten. Ich muß zugeben sein Rücktritt hat aber doch einen gewissen Stil… Auch wenn die Begründungen zum „heulen“ sind…
Well that’s what the german deledefs seem to prefer. As some of you might have heard a german „frollein“ has won the European song contest.
Now the polticians declare her a „great“ german figurehead. But you know, if you get instrumented from Politicians….
The other things which have happened are not that joyful. Now the discussion starts abot tax raising, VAT raising etc. Everything (but currently not education according ot our first deledef) has to expect cuts. Well I bet everyone will find enough reasons why his/her resort should be excempted. So my bet is:
– VAT will raise (they will call it harmonizing with other EU countries (another small reminder the last VAT raise vom 16 to 19% has just been undertaken around 3 years ago.
It has resulted in 23 Billion more „income“ and it was supposed to be used for paying back the immense debts. Well yo can imagine what they are going to take now and „argument“ the same way. If you feel it sucks, well you’re not alone with that feeling….
– one could imagine a time-limited extra tax like we have to „supporting“ east Germany since well now nearly 20 years. I bet a tax for „supporting“ the EUR is not that impossible
– I expect some new sort of property tax, of course because the speculants are guilty
Let us assume another 4 % more VAT then we’re talking about roughy 40 Billion more Euros (but just take into account this year new debts were higher as 80 billions)… So it would not even be enough to stop making new debts.. so much about solidity
There will be other raisings, which are not that obvious. I doubt that many subsidies will get cut, if yes it will be some for parents. They know quite well that parents, work even harder to not let their children „suffer“. Exceptions just confirm this rules….
Well if you now something from the finanical toture catalogue, you surely find other „proper“ actions…..
I’m back. But well what has changed really. Nothing which could be considered an improvement. The raid is on it’s way. Laws written just 10 years ago broken be
deledefs. And so on. Money still is fiat-money and they try to drown the EU and US with even more cheap money. The FDP has given up any idea of liberalism, and the
most liberals have stepped down from their positions. Just 3 of the FPDler have voted against or not voted at (all, because of support for the „party“) breaking laws.
Astonishingly enough the only other votes against, breaking laws were caste by the „Linke“. Well this is the only „small“ suprise, just as long as you see it
was against the „capitalistic parties“. Well I guess they would not hesittate to sign the next compulsory acquisition for banks or other „large“ corporations. Or maybe they like to re-establish nationally-owned enterprises. Or any „nicecities“ one is used to in dictatorhips.
Maybe this time they would be just a bit more clever and „let“ people own their own stuff, but with „appropriate“ taxes. Why not extra taxes as e.g they have for fuel (> 75 %)…
I’m quite sure our other parties like CDU, SDP, Greens, etc will look for such kind of „saving“. Time has taught, that expecting anything good from politicians (sorry deledefs) is a very stupid move.
So what should one write any longer, the things were written down in the past, they were rewritten in the late past and the might get rewritten in the future. But those for whom
it applied will go on with „their“ way. It will be the road to perdition, burglary, black-mailing, more laws to punish the still producing work-forces….
Yes, you got it. I’m very pessimistic about the learning ability of our deledefs. They will do their best and beyond to drive us all back into misery. And if you just look into recent history you’ll see, such kind of „disruptions“ won’t get away without violence. War is not unlikly, actually we’re in war. It’s politican and bureaucrats against every soul longing for freedom. Therfor I just can ask you again to harm the current governements, especially in the EU, and US as much as you possibly can. Don’t exaggerate or the will simply jail you, use the last „standing“ laws as best as you can. Just start supporting „freedom“ fighters….
Leider muß man wohl festhalten, das Köhler wohl gefallen findet am etwas modifizierten Spruch. „Am deutschen Politiker(un)wesen soll die Welt genesen“. Unser Soldaten sollen also auch für wirtschaftliche Interessen in den „gerechten“ Krieg ziehen. So nach dem Motto: „Lebensraum im Osten?“. Ist das noch frei Meinungsäußerung oder schon „vorbereiten“ auf Ermächtigungsgesetze?
Nehmen wir mal einfach an die Franzosen oder Polen wollen mit uns nicht mehr Handeln, schicken wir dann unsere Soldaten los um unsere „berechtigten“ Interessen zu „vertreten.“
Wenn Köhler nur ein wenig Charakter hätte. Nun ja nicht-politiker-charakter. Dann dürfte er seit mehr als 2 Jahren schon zurückgetreten sein. Man beachte mal einige der Punkte über die sich unser Bundespräsident öffentlich „echauffiert“ hat, bzw einfach unterschrieben hat:
– FmStg
– HRE Enteignungsgesetz
– Pumpkapitalismus
– Demontage der Gewaltenteeilung. verbrämt als politische „willensbildung“
– Krieg wegen Wahrung „berechtigter“ Interessen.
Nun ja unsere Nachbarn werden schier vor Freude hüpfen wenn wir mal wieder irgendwo „einmarschieren“…..
Hier einige Anregungen:
http://www.ftd.de/politik/international/:angst-vor-hyperinflation-venezuela-setzt-anleihehandel-komplett-aus/50116079.html
Von Chavez lernen heißt, „siegen“ lernen.
To the actions of politicians. (well deledefs). It sems to vanish like snow in the sun. Just imagine the last few weeks. The trouble started with Greece beeing suspected not beeing able to pay
for their debts any longer. Well so far so „bad“, but than the deledefs really started going wild. At first they „were thinking abou 22 Billion Euros, a bit later short over Billion Mrd or so and not even
a week later 750 billion. Just to remind you. The total debt of the EU countries is 8.7 trillion. And there the so called „shadow budgets“, which well at least we Germans have and I bet the French to not fare
better.
Somwhere somone has written a 1000 points plumb of the Dow „destroys“ one trillion of „wealtch“. Well that’s just 10 % of the dow jone indes. So to pay all the debts of the EU is comparable to „Dow “ to loose
8700 points or 80-90 %. Imagine that a dow at 0 ist not low enough for paying all the debts of the US. Now how can anyone with a little knowledge about figures, go on and pile up even higher debts? This is so ridicolous.
So to my question above. The trust is gone and rightly so. We normal people will not be able to breath or to raise children with such criminals. The laws „save“ the sorry bastards, having to pay for their crimes. Every law which was established to save us from the greed ot the inproductive elements, are getting abolished more and more. Contracts are broken, and the only think we here. „there is no alternative“. There is no reason left to trust any current leading politician. You can neither trust any of our ministers, any of the french ministers you can not trust Obama administration in any way. Let’s hope for America that the Tea-party will be a succes. Let’s hope for Europe to get our states back from the polticians or bureaucrats. The best way to end this misery is, let’s get back money with value. I suggest puttin all politicians into one playe, where the have to grow their own food. Make very good fences around them and let’s go on without them.
Help end the central banks, fight for your rights, don’t hesitate to harm the current governements wherever and in whatever way you can….. Support only those which show respect of your and your property. Say no to black-mailing, avoid paying taxes as much as you legally can. Write to ever politician and claim your base human rights. If they vote against you over and over again, let them fall.
Don’t trust the Politicians and Administrations any longer, they have not deserved it in any way any longer…..
Well it may not suprise you, but our deledes are working on the next stupidity or perfidity.
A global tax on financial transactions. You can hear the „mone“ laugh and „run“?
How big chances are that e.g the USA agree on this. Well how about any other country world-wide.
What would be the problem for the rest of bigger money in Germany to emmitgrate?
And how many would „forget“ about Germany sooner or later? Well they want to hit the „speculants“ but
those will simply go elsewhere. And who will pay for this in the end. Every single Germany citizen. Suddenly a lot of money and „demand“
simply has gone. We’re not talking about a few hundred Euros ,but billions of it. How „difficult“ is it to open a bank account anywhere in the world?
Fortunatly not all countries value „german laws“ and or european law, let’s hope this will stand the tests of time…
I have a suggestion about what you should read (or read again). Do not got but run and fetch „Atlas shrugged“. and get a copy
of „Human action“ from von Mises too. See how Ayn describes this „fights“ of bureaucrats. See how the „unproductive“ be the nails in the coffin for
the others. Let’s hope the „productive“ find their Shangri-La as they did in Atlast shrugged somewhere in a valley of the Rocky mountains. Let’s hope someone
find this valley for us.
ist definitv angebrochen. Es geht jetzt nicht mehr nur um Pleiten einiger Länder sondern um Entrechtung aller Europäer. Alle sollen für die Versuche der Politker „büssen“, die etwas zusammenbringen wollten was derzeit (und wahrscheinlich sogar auf absehbare Zeit) nicht zusammengehört. Wir haben hier in Deutschland die enormen Verwerfungen mitbekommen die „nur“ das Zusammenbringen Ost/West anging, aber unsere Politikerle wollen etwas zusammenbringen was Seinen stolz immer noch aus der nationalen Identität zieht. Länder in denen Zentralismus vorliegt mit Ländern in denen
der Föderalismus vorwiegt. Und nicht zu vergessen kein Politker will mit Seinem Land hintenanstehen. Müssen wir wirklich den EUR gewaltsam abschaffen oder lässt sich da nicht eine friedliche Lösung finden?
with compliments:
http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2010/05/crisis-in-new-zealand-climatology
It’s very actual as you can see. And it does not shade a good light on the supporters of the man-made climate change.
Now if we consider what has happened the last half year in this area. We probably be well advised to distust claims and
laws put on us for fighting global warmth.
There’s one question left. Why has this been upheated that much. How does it come that science has not obeyed their
own base of success? could it be because of all this are paid for by mostly governemental organizations? As you can see the route to
more „politics“ and less „freedom“ is nearly universal. Laws have been made and „artificial“ markets be established which deal with CO2 emissions.
See the last laws in the EU but also in the US the „health care system“. It’s always less for those beeing productive and more and more for unproductive
jobs etc. It’s like a mania, we can and will control everything, every aspect ot anyones life. And only the deledes know how to interpret that, they are the „only“ ones
seeing. And failure is a no-no-no-no-no word for them. If they fail it’s just because they still havn’t enough power and or bureaucrats.
Trial-and-error is the way of science. There is not progress if you do not try anything, there can’t be any progress without failure. One can not „decide“ that e.g the IT industry comes along,
one can not „decide“ to create a new product out of thin air without trying what things work and what won’t.
How large the hybris must be that one believes that having success comes for free? How can one believe that the success of free markets just happens by „accident“. How comes the believe that
one not working under economic laws knows better about economics, than anyone working under the economic „realities“. How comes the believe in academics without
economic experience that those „know“ how economics work?
How comes that so many believe that kind of nonsense?
is in first line stable money. Fiat-Geld has proven that it can not cope with it. Well that’s not suprise for anyone a little bit interested in „History“.
If I have the choice between two beliefs than I’d prefer always „the market“ over anythin from the deledes. Just one example on how I think markets get it
„right“ sooner or later. The gold price has „topped“ all-times highs expressed in US-$ and EUR. And if you see a long-time chart the raising of the gold price has
started in 2006!!!! where obviously a lot of people have recogniced something’s wrong. Maybe they’ve seen the housing bubble starting I don’t know. I just started my gold carreer in
2008 after the FmStg and TARP had started. Now since 2008 the prices has doubled. Is it a bubble? Well might be, however it’s obvious that the fiat-money bubble was
inflated much faster. It seems also that the central banks are intervening to support their Fiat-money. It’s one of the surest sign that something is terrible wrong with currencies.
Unfortunatly one can expect an alliance of Politicians (deledes) and central banks to do whatever they can to disqualify the gold price. The US helds a lonely record on that.
After giving out the bound to gold they „forbid“ private ownership of gold. That’s one of the most ridicolous laws ever passed to save the „defrauders“ from their fate.
I’d not be suprises if they come along with something similiar in the not too far future. What can one do against it. Fortunatly there are more free countries as anything in the EU or the US.
So it probbably is a very good idea to open an account over there and put something of value in it. The choice which country to prefer is very simple. Those countries which value private
ownership the most are the favorites.
auch zu meinem letzten Artikel über die Manipulation der Fiat-Geld Vertreter.
Der Goldpreis liegt das erst Mal in der Geschichte über 1000 EUR. Nun ja die EUR Geschichte ist ja noch nicht so lang aber es sieht insgesamt eher mau für das Fiat-Geld aus, zu Recht wie ich finde.
Rechnet man mal mit einer 3 % Inflation zurück bis 1979, hätte Gold damals Kosten müssen (jetzt mal in US-$ gerechnet, (heutige preise run 1245 Dollar die Unze.)
498 US-$Dollar. Damaliger Preis: unter 200 US-$.
Ist das übertrieben? Nu ja wie man es sehen möchte. Fakt ist: Das Fiat-Geld hat speziell seit 2006 !!! massiv an Wert gegenüber Geld verloren. Und damit kann man wohl sagen der Goldpreis hat die Probleme „vorweggenommen“. Offensichtlich fingen da an die Leute „nervös zu werden“. Mich hat es erst richtig in 2008 gepackt, das TARP und FmStg waren für mich der Anlass. Anstieg seit 2008 ist aber allein schon mehr als verdoppelt. Normalerweise ist das ein klarer Indikator, daß eine Blase entsteht. Nur was ist seitdem mit der Geldmenge passiert? Versuchen Sie das mal herauszubekommen ;-(
Well our German politicians claim that the speculants are the reason for the turmoils around the EUR. Now let us see whether they may be right or wrong.
Let us assume the following situation interest rate at 10%, time-frame 1 year (to avoid compounded interest)
Now let us assume the probability on not getting back a credit is 10 % (which is extraordinarily high)
So if we spend 100 EUR today what will we have in one year.
– 100 + 110 * 0.9 = -1
This is well negative, and therfor one would not take that much of a risk
Now let’s take failure probability of 5% so the calculation is.
– 100 + 110 * 0.95 = 4.5
Well that sounds „reasonable“ you get en expected return of 4.5.
When would you consiser spending the 100 whatever?
Well in case that you get „more“ back.
Now let’s see what this means to bonds of Greece. The 10 % is currently a number which the Greece has to offer. So currently the markets think that Greece will not pay with around 10% probability.
Now what if the speculant thinks the likliness on failure is around 20%
When will he/she accept this rate?
– 100 + x * 0.8 = 5
So x has to be 118.75 or 18.75 % interest rate. Well Greece will not ever offer this much interest so there must be another way.
We know hat Greece will have to pay back 100 % of the value of a bond. So we can write:
– x + 100 * 0.8 = 5
or
-x = 5 – 100 * 0.8
x = 75
So the speculant is just willing to buy bonds if the course is that low.
You can see high risks inevitable ask for high interest and/or low prices. Now the figure changes unexpectetly.The speculants „hope“ that the EU bails out the Greeks. Suddenly the
75 course is very tempting, because it’s high income with „low risk“. That’s what every speculant is dreaming of. So in fact while the other EU states
offer this credits to Greece the speculants do make a good surplus. Now is that a fault of speculants?
Who has enforced the governements to offer the credits? No one, so the politicans action to back up the Greeks will lead to a „victory of the speculants“. So it’s the other way round
it’s not the speculants will earn big while Greece fails, no it’s the speculants earn big because of „stupid“ and very doubtful (legal) actions of the political leaders.
Now it’s getting really absurd. One would not buy any bonds from Greece, but the politcians say. Come on people please buy the bonds we have to help the Greeks.
So the politicans are asking the to help them back up their stupidity and raids. I can not say how distasteful that is.
The whole economic reasoning is lead ad absurdum. In fact defrauding is right, honesty is wrong. Laws are made to save the defrauders and enforce the costs of this action to the honest people.
Well as written before the politician (sorry deledes) do blame he speculant. Well I wonder what this guys have done to envforce the EU and US to
pile up debt as high as roughly around 25 000 000 000 000 US-$. How did they do it? I really want to know. I’d add a few extra trillions. Well
no I guess it is not possible. It’s just „democratic“ decisions to live out ouf any „economic“ bound. Howerver bounds are not without a reason bounds.
You sooner or later have to stay within their borders. Or you will be brought back by „reality“. The deledes ability to ignore reality is just „miracolous“.
Or simply „stupid“, feel free to choose.
How can we get rid of this maniacs. Votes won’t help and so there must a another way to protect „normal people“ How about-
– ending the central banks
– ending the fractional reserve system
– best abolish the central banks (no rendor of last resort no safety net for defrauders
– prohibit states to issue bonds.
You do not need any other means for it, and suddenly this kind of probems simply vanish.
But of course it means less power fo deledes and that obviously a double no-no.
Ich schrieb:
http://fdominicus.blogspot.com/2009/11/kleine-spekulation.html
ein bisschen später hier:
http://fdominicus.blogspot.com/2010/02/fangt-es-jetzt.html
und muß nun heute das hier lesen:
http://boerse.ard.de/content.jsp?key=dokument_427164
Bezeichnend oder nicht?
I wonder if we see the last tries for the social-democratic parties? Just imagine the following two numbers:
8 700 000 000 000
14 000 000 000 000
That are the debts of the EU and the US. Both are currently riding on „experts“ like Krugman, which say Inflation is not a problem
I just suggest looking up hyprinflations in the last 60 years. Politicians seem to be unwilling or blank stupid to not learn such things from history.
If things break down, the only think which „survives“ is free trade. You can not stop it by any means, you can call it black market or whatever, but
it’s what people do to „survive“, and there all „political power “ simply stops… As long as we give politican the power over and over and over again
to manipulate money, we are asking for a bankupt (more sooner than later). The last european country bankruptcy is now Greece. See what happens over there.
Violence, protests etc. That harm was done 99.5 % by Politicians. I propose to think over how such things would be handled in an economic sound environment.
It means an end to the „current“ leaders and other take over. Things to not de-evaluate completly, there are always things worth something and
others pick it up and make money out of it. If you try to „fight“ such things, the problems surely pile up higher an higher an higher. The saying. The higher the climb the deeper the fall
never ever will be proofed wrong. Sure the EU has probably bought some time, but who can expect that „suddenly“ the same in charge will suddenly proceed responsible?
I will not say they can not learn, but chances are slim they really do. Do I really have to point out some open questions?
– What good has the TARP money done?
– What good has the German FmStg done.
Now we do not even have to speculate about a few banks, but whole counties and countries. See what‘ has happened to the 8 larges economy in the world they are
bankrupt, by any practical means. See the troubles spots here in Germany, where complete cities go down the drain. This all has to do with „bad economic“ behaviour. And what happens?
People take their stuff and „go“. We have thousands of examples here in Germany where politicians have harmed the people, but still they are there and well it’s alway not
their fault. It‘ s the circumstances, the speculator, the other politicians, the stupid people and whatever you can think of but never ever the own stupidity or inaptitude.
How can that be suprising if the only thing which can happen is that you won’t get re-elected? You get paid nevertheless, you do not have to please customers you just get paid from „the governement“.
If you looes a few millions, well bad luck but it’s not your fault it’s the agencies like Goldman Sachs, Young or whatever which have deceived the littel poor politicians. They handle sums in the millions and billions but
are not „responsible“ they have to follow laws, regulations and if you follow the regulations you never ever can be guilty, can you?
We have decoupled the bearing of failure of successs. Just see the last 750 Billion raid in the EU. Greece has lied to the EU, it does not matter. We have laws against taking over debts of other countries in the EU,
it does not matter. Now the money was „celebrated“ as a big win against speculants. So this was judges as success (well one should be carefulw with victory, Phyruss has put it properly) . If you think German papers just name it „a big raid“ well think again. You have to read the Züricher Zeitung, to read a proper comment about this „gamling“…. And even the „independent“ TV-stations just repeait the „mantra of the politicians“ It’s the fault of the speculants. Well they do not mean the politicans with that…..
Yeah guys. the TARP money has „vanished“ like snow in the sun. Nobodoy know cares or ask where it’s gone. Now the EU has seen it and though by themselves.
What a great thing. Money for nothing and the gigs for free… And voila now it’s there the EUR TARP program. Well it’s not Troubled Assets Reliefe Program for banks but
TMMAR (take my money and run) for defrauders. Greece is the first which will take this money, of course they will not thank the EU for buying them out. No that would be for „normal people“, Germany is „enemy“ number one and well Germany is the biggest payer (well they pay with debts not even fiat-money, but that’s another story) Welll so the start are around 22.4 Billions. Well the „planned tax
releaf was 24 Billion. But now the „iron“ cancecellor has cancled it. It’s not tax relief the next 3 years. It’s more important to safe other countrioes and especially the Euro. But
how can you save a currency if you devaluate it? I don’t know the US has started the big number game and now EU starts their game. Who will went south first?
Who will be the winner. Could it be that the Chinese just can’t get to sleep because the laugh at us? Could it be that now the Chinese simply buy whatever they can an „extend“ their market place?
Just see what they do in Africa, the help buiding the infrastructure and get crucial things in return. Germany and the US simply do not get that an burn their money in wars without sense. Yes I think it could be the chinese time. Howerver be cautious to not get in conflict with the Partei….. If the chinese would be clever they’d bound their currency to something of value and soonner or later they will get all the US and EU area stuff for „an apple and an egg“…. On the other hand just imagine China starts selling their US-$ Bonds…..They do not even need an apple or an egg, civil war will finish the US and EU and they litereally get it all for „free“…
Exaggerations? May be, but just tell me what worth is the FIat money? Indeed nothing…. It’s just numbers on a paper….
However just see this numbers
8 700 000 000 000
750 000 000 000
The first is the „total debt“ of the EU countries, and the second is the TARP money. It’s not even 10% of the „open debt sum“. Now tell me something about leverage….
How much worse does it have to get before start improving?
Also wenn es runter geht sind die „Spekulanten“ schuld wenn es rauf geht sind es die „klugen Politiker“. Man schaue sich mal an wieviele Grundsätze innerhalb einer Woche „geschrottet“ wurden.
– Schuldenübernahme
– Unabhängigkeit der EZB
– Teile des Grundgesetze.
Einen imposanteren Phyrussieg gab es schon seit langer Zeit nicht mehr. Noch ein paar solcher Siege und es bleibt nichts mehr übrig für was sich das Siegen lohnen könnte.
Jetzt lassen sich die Politiker „feiern“ und haben das Gefühl. „Den Spekulanten haben wir jetzt aber richtig eingeschenkt“.
Hier mal ein paar Zahlen um „richtig einschenken“
http://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/schulden100.html
Interssant auch wenn man versucht nach absoluten Zahlen zu suchen. Es geht fast immer „nur noch um Schulden gegen BIP“. Also muß man „rechnen“. Ein Schelm der Böses dabei denkt.
Aber hier nur zwei absolute Zahlen:
8 700 000 000 000
750 000 000 000
Die letztere Zahl macht 11,6 % der ersten aus. Jetzt rede mal einer über „Leverage“. Ein heben von 1/10 bedeutet. Für eine Million Euro brauchen sie nur 100 000 EUR eigenes Geld. Versuchen Sie damit mal sagen wir mal ein Haus zu finanzieren….
Selbverständlich steht den 750 MRD nichts als „Wert“ gegenüber. Es ist einfach nur „Papier“ und dieses Papier würde die „ehemalige unabhängige EZB“ annehmen.
Noch mal zwei andere Zahlen die ich mir zusammensuchen mußte.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_L%C3%A4nder_nach_Bruttoinlandsprodukt
Achtung in US-$
Umrechnungskurs US-$/Euro vom 11.05.2010: rund 1,2 /1
BIP Italien: 2 300 000 000 000 / 1.2 ungefähr 1,96 Billionen
Schuldenstand: ca 106 % also
1.96 Billionen * 1.06 = 2.03 Billionen ausgeschrieben
2 030 000 000 000
Die 750 Mrd sind also gerade mal 1/3 der Schulden von Italien.
Nun muß man natürlich bedenken. Nicht alle Schulden sind morgen fällig. Nur wenn man ein Zehntel der Schulden als kurzfristig fällig ansieht, dann sind es ungefeähr 870 Mrd, womit der „Schutzschirm“ mal eben um 120 Mrd „überschritten wurde“ 120 Mrd sind ungefährein Drittel des Haushaltes in 2010.
Bei allem zu Bedenken, Zinsen laufen auch an. Rechnen wir einmal mit 5% Zinslast dann sind allein für die Bedienung der Zinsen jährlich rund 435 Mrd EUR nötig. Da die Länder quasi nie getilgt haben. ist allein der Zinseszins auf diese Summe etwas über 21 Mrd. Für Arbeit und Soziales im Haushalt in Deutschland sind 14.6 Mrd vorgesehen.
Eine letzte Rechnung. Gehen wir davon aus, daß die Staatsausgaben um 3% schneller als die BIPS steigen dann haben wir in ungefähr 24 Jahren einen Schuldenstand von
17 000 000 000 000 000 auf Deutschland entfielen dann rund 3,4 Billionen Schulden das wäre eine Schuldendienst von 170 000 000 000.
Derzeitige Defizit von Deutschland bewegt sich stramm auf 7% zu und es gibt mehr als genug Länger mit mehr als 10 % Neuverschuldung. Bei einem Wirtschaftswachstum von naja 1 oder so Prozent. Deutschland ist derzeit schon nicht in der Lage seine „normalen“ laufenden Ausgaben zu bezahlen. Frage ist also wie lange kann ein Land auf Kredit leben?
Now it’s done. Laws so not save non-defrauders but,helps defrauders to accomplish their raids. The US and EU are the first countries with laws, which help
criminals. And even best a party supposed to be more liberal than anything els here has say yes to it. From 95 or so just 3 have say no, this has
nothing to to with liberalism. Unfortunatly we just know one of the few which has say no. Howerver it also means that nearl 95% of the FDP politicians
have not even betray their voters but also their principles. It was not the first time they did so. Fortunatly on Sunday there is a voting in the largestt (population wise) in Germany, let’s hope and pray the FDP will have to go. And let’s hope they thake the SPD, CDU, Greens, and Linke with them.
Let’s also hope that the Bundesverfassungsgericht will judge that this is against our „Grundgesetzt“. … If betraying, theft and blackmailing will be „considred“ good while done by politicians, than you know “ war is near“…..
Oh mit wird einfach nur noch schlecht:
„Wir werden den Euro verteidigen, was immer es kosten mag“,
Siehe http://www.freiewelt.net/nachricht-4246/europa-sagt-spekulanten-den-kampf-an.html
Also mir fällt da nichts mehr ein. Lügen ist ja geradzu eine Tugend gegen diese Verbrecher.
CDU 4,7 %, SPD 4,7 %, Grüne 4,7 %, FDP 4,7 %, Linke -10,0%.,
Nun ja schön wäre es wenn die bisher in Deutschland führenden Ganovendatein (also hauptsächlich (SPD, CDU, FDP, Grüne) alle gewaltig verlieren würden. Ich weiß da ist es wahrscheinlicher 6 richtige im Lotto zu bekommen. Aber irgendjemand gewinnt ja doch im Lotto. Vielleicht könnten einmal die „Normalodeutschen“ und „Nichtbetrüger“ den Lottogewinn ziehen und nicht die A…..karte. Gut wäre es auch schon wenn weder CDU/FDP noch SDP/Grüne/Linke eine Mehrheit hätten und auch für CDU/SPD wünschte ich mir „es lange nicht“. Ich schätze das „Verlustpotential“ der ehemaligen „Freien“ Partei Deutschlands auf höher ein als das der CDU. Und man kann nur festhalten „zu Recht“ die FDPler die im Bundestag für die Griechenlandhilfe gestimmt haben, sollten mal „ihr Geld ehrlich verdienen“ müssen, statt Ihr Geld auch von den „Nichtbetrügern“ in Deutschland zu erhalten.
the Raid is on it’s way. Only if the Bundesverfassungericht stops this deledefs, things can have a positve turn.
My last message about Investors now is all too true. You may make contracts with german governement, but don’t count
that they will stick to it. If it fits them, they may try to seize it from you.
Howerver even in the darkest hours of younger german history, there are politicians and not just thieves. Thos who have named it as it is, defrauding, and
which have say no. There ain’t much of them, but maybe one day in the future they will be the majority.
It will not be the Germany we know. It will be different, but surely better (well it hardly can get get much worse, but maybe they take from the former
DDR regime and maybe they will name thos who will try to leave this rat hole as „refuggees of the „republic“. Well I really don’t know if
one can translate „Republikflüchtige“ that way.
I once liked the EUR, the rules were clear and it seemed the EUR could get more stable as any fiat-money before. But it’s was just „wishful-thinking“. Fiat money can
never have value nor ever will persist. It will always be an instrument to oppression it will alway be a symbol of arbitraryness of politcians. Our deep distrust for „too“ much state just gets‘ s fuelled over and over again. The worst countries currently are the EU, and the US, China, Japan. So there’s not much goodness left. And ones knows from history how that things turned out in the end. They
always end in some war and misery (if you are lucky you may survive).
Zustimmung zum Failout Paket für Griechenland „erfolgte“. Das bet wurde zemenitert, das es einen „genügend“ dicke Mehrheit gab ist Betrüger ein angemessener Beschreibung für mehr als 50 % der Abgeordneten. Eine Klare ist anhängig, man kann uns allen nur wünschen, Sie wird angenommen und im Sinne der Anklageeheber entschieden. Sollte die Politik dannn trotzdem versuchen „drum herum“ zu kommen, haben Sie die Teile dele. (demokratisch legtitimiert) verloren und stehen nur noch als Betrüger dar. Damit sind wohl auch alle Vorraussetzung für -§20 (4) GG gegeben. Jeder Deutsche hat das Recht dann gegen dieses Betrüger vorzugehen.
Sie betont:
„-«Es geht um nicht mehr und nicht weniger als um die Zukunft Europas und damit um die Zukunft Deutschlands in Europa-»“
zitiert von:
http://de.finance.yahoo.com/nachrichten/merkel-betont-europische-dimension-der-griechenland-rettung-ddpnews-5e11478fb5c9.html?x=0
Und man glaubt es kaum, Sie hat recht, wird das Geld aufgebracht gibt es keine Zukunft mehr für Europa und damit auch Deutschland. Nur irgendwas sagt mir, so meinte Sie es nicht.
Ist aber auch interssant sich ein „verschwinden“ von Europa vorzustellen, nach dem Motte „Ja wo isser den, der Kontinent…“